As Old Salt wrote, Is everything Up really Down?

Did Senior Military/Intelligence Officials Overrule President Obama Regarding Mission to Kill Osama Bin Laden?

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144 responses to “As Old Salt wrote, Is everything Up really Down?

  1. Good article re the supposed events surrounding the supposed killing of OBL. Would make a great novel.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/bin-laden-discovered-hiding-in-plain-sight/2011/05/02/AFEljUbF_print.html

  2. Oops sorry if my post was OT.

  3. Cabby - AZ

    Hi, cjzak,
    What do you want to bet that someone WILL make a movie of it? The only thing, it could bring fire down from Muslim sympathizers.

    As we get more and more info and opinions and can mull it all over, I believe that each of us will come to our own conclusions ultimately. One I have already come to is that O synchronized the timing of the release of the BC so that it would be overshadowed by the raid to get Bin Laden. The news media would have the latter to chew over and over, thus drawing fire away from the fraudulent, manufactured BC.

    A very telling quote from the WaPo link above is, “Obama, the official said, told the group, “I’m not going to give you my answer now.” Imo, that is par for the course for Obama. When has he ever NOT dallied around on making a decision?

  4. http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/05/03/did-the-u-s-military-act-on-its-own-authority-to-kill-bin-laden/

    I’ll tell you something else: I think it’s being leaked because people in the military want Obama gone. This is completely in keeping with everything that you would expect to have happen. It makes sense to me. This was just one order that they could not accept. They knew they had the guy; they had the intel; they acted on it; they said, “We don’t care what Obama says; we’re going to take this guy out.” And then they did, and they don’t care what happens to them now. And I don’t think anything is going to happen. By the time I got this, Obama has already taken credit for this. “Oh, yeah, we meant to do this all the time.” So Obama is not going to go after any military commander, and then the information was leaked. So they know they have Obama cross-wired. Obama is stuck right now and the military knows that. It’s been leaked out. These are the kinds of conversations that would go on in the environment we have today.

    MRS. RONDEAU: What do you think will happen from here?

    LCDR FITZPATRICK: I think it will build from here. I think that the information has been leaked so that it will build from here. I think that there are military men and women who are really ticked off about Obama having gone into Libya.
    snip
    And this is a message for Mr. Obama, which is that he’s not in control of his armed forces anymore, and that is a very, very, very significant detail. That’s huge. If they don’t recognize Mr. Obama as the commander-in-chief, then all that can happen for Mr. Obama is bad. There are going to have to be other military people to make the same observation,and they’re going to have to make this publicly.

  5. I don’t know if this comment just got posted or not so hope it’s not a repeat:

    http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/05/03/did-the-u-s-military-act-on-its-own-authority-to-kill-bin-laden/

    Did the U.S. Military Act on its Own Authority to Kill bin Laden?

    I expected something as a flashback. I expected that at some point, somewhere, someone in the military was going to stand up and say, “Mr. Obama, you can go to Hades. We’ve had enough.” And this opportunity was just too big a deal to follow his orders. Because they went to the White House to get permission and didn’t receive it – it wasn’t that they expected to receive it; they knew what the answer was going to be, and they were going to act on what they knew – going after OBL was a really big deal. He really was a threat to the national security, and there are military people who recognize that and were willing to risk their careers to take out Osama bin Laden because they realize that that is more important than their careers, and they probably realize also that if Obama tried to take them out at this point, that it would just accelerate his decline.

    I’ll tell you something else: I think it’s being leaked because people in the military want Obama gone. This is completely in keeping with everything that you would expect to have happen. It makes sense to me. This was just one order that they could not accept. They knew they had the guy; they had the intel; they acted on it; they said, “We don’t care what Obama says; we’re going to take this guy out.” And then they did, and they don’t care what happens to them now. And I don’t think anything is going to happen. By the time I got this, Obama has already taken credit for this. “Oh, yeah, we meant to do this all the time.” So Obama is not going to go after any military commander, and then the information was leaked. So they know they have Obama cross-wired. Obama is stuck right now and the military knows that. It’s been leaked out. These are the kinds of conversations that would go on in the environment we have today.

    snip …

    And this is a message for Mr. Obama, which is that he’s not in control of his armed forces anymore, and that is a very, very, very significant detail. That’s huge. If they don’t recognize Mr. Obama as the commander-in-chief, then all that can happen for Mr. Obama is bad. There are going to have to be other military people to make the same observation,and they’re going to have to make this publicly.

  6. Cabby - AZ

    Did the U.S. Military Act on its Own Authority to Kill bin Laden?

    This is a must read article over at The Post & Email:

    http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/05/03/did-the-u-s-military-act-on-its-own-authority-to-kill-bin-laden/

    (Sharon Rondeau interviews LCDR Fitzpatrick)

  7. Trump4Potus

    Warning, graphic picture in the link!
    I just heard that the White House is going to release a picture of a dead OBL today. I wonder if it will the picture in this article, titled “Why that photo of a dead Osama bin Laden is a photoshopped fake”

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/willheaven/100085835/why-that-photo-of-a-dead-osama-bin-laden-is-almost-certainly-a-photoshopped-fake/

  8. Cabby - AZ

    Did the U.S. Military Act on its Own Authority to Kill bin Laden?
    This is a must read article over at The Post & Email:

    http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/05/03/did-the-u-s-military-act-on-its-own-authority-to-kill-bin-laden/

    (Sharon Rondeau interviews LCDR Fitzpatrick)

  9. Has there been something wrong with posting comments? I posted a comment twice but hasn’t shown up – on this thread or last one. Thanks

  10. Cabby - AZ

    I’ve had the same problem – Tried posting something three times and no go. I have a feeling that others have tried too. There has to be a logical reason.

  11. We apologize for some comments not posting. We found them in the spam file! We will be more vigilant about that now.

    We are still on the leaning curve, running as fast as we can!

  12. Cabby - AZ

    friendsofcw,
    So sorry that I got trigger happy and posted more than once. I thought there was something that I was doing wrong. Actually, Observer and I had the same stuff to share. LOL

  13. Cabby - AZ

    Here is the latest from Insider: (it is much more extensive and detailed than the prior one)

    White House Insider: Obama Hesitated – Panetta Issued Order to Kill Osama Bin Laden
    (this is a follow-up report)

    http://socyberty.com/issues/white-house-insider-obama-hesitated-panetta-issued-order-to-kill-osama-bin-laden/

  14. Wow! My head is spinning! I cannot form a coherent thought.

    Everyone, please read Cabby and Observer’s links ASAP!

  15. Hi All,

    Cabby and Observer, thanks for the detailed story. I don’t know if Insider is a phoney, but he seems to know a lot of details only someone with legit connections would know.

    In reading through this (twice), Barky reminds me of the little kid who got into daddy’s liquor cabinet, and the kid that wasn’t picked for dodge ball.

    Valerie Jarrett is actually the President, not this piece of sewage who holds the office.

    Ineffective, indecisive, out of the loop stoner. Yup, that’s our (p)Resident.

  16. Cabby - AZ

    Hi SueK,
    Yes, this information is astounding. Somehow I feel that it does fit in with other bits and pieces we have been gleaning from other sources. Now we know why he was out on the golf course on Sunday before the big event, even wearing his golf shoes into the situation room.

    Also, it was announced on the WaPo site (not a conservative outlet) that he had to “think it over” and certainly did so. It took 16 hours according to WaPo for him to finally come on board. In the meantime, apparently, Leon Panetta had already given the orders to proceed with the raid. This will be kept squelched by the MSM, but it all seems to fit together like a jigsaw puzzle.

  17. We have know idea where that dopey header picture came from, for those of you who may have seen it – but we have managed to remove it.

    And specifically:
    To: cjzak: Nothing is ever off topic here.

    To: Cabby: No apology necessary! We screwed up! Considering some places we have been, we do greatly appreciate the nicety.

  18. Cabby – AZ | May 3, 2011 at 7:49 pm |

    Hey Cabby,

    Mr. Indicision strikes again!

    The way I see it, he hesitated to take out one of his own; ya know, that Muslim killing Muslim thingy.

    I was never a fan of Panetta, but I must say that he’s earned my respect, at least for this maneuver. Just goes to show you who’s NOT in charge.

    Call it women’s intuition, but it’s getting pretty hot in Barky’s kitchen and I really don’t know how much longer he can survive living this lie. You can see how it’s wearing on him; his face is deeply creased for a man of his age and his stuttering has gotten worse. Of course, wife Moose says he doesn’t dye his hair. Ahem. He’s *very* grey these days. Time for the Just for Men he isn’t using and never did. They even lie about hair coloring; they can’t help themselves.

    Only a matter of time, now.

    P.S. I have new pics of what’s left of Marsha’s house. I will send via e-mail. You may need a Kleenex.

  19. Cabby - AZ

    SueK | May 3, 2011 at 8:43 pm |
    Cabby – AZ | May 3, 2011 at 7:49 pm |

    Hey Cabby,

    Mr. Indicision strikes again!
    *********************************
    Yes, it’s rather scary, isn’t it? There is one thing that is emerging in my mind. If it were ever necessary for the CIA and the military to move ahead anyway, then there is the possibility that if we were under severe threat from external forces – like a blackmail situation where one or more U.S. cities would be threatened with nuclear bombs (God forbid that it ever happens) – cooler, rational heads could and would override Obama’s indecision. That is less than the ideal method, but it would be better than to flounder under such an incompetent president. I hope it never comes to that.

  20. More details emerge:

    White House Insider: Obama Hesitated – Panetta Issued Order to Kill Osama Bin Laden

    Read more: http://socyberty.com/issues/white-house-insider-obama-hesitated-panetta-issued-order-to-kill-osama-bin-laden/#ixzz1LLDXmker

  21. Sorry Cabby – missed your Insider update that I just posted too.

  22. Wow thanks Cabby for posting that updated link for the ‘insider’ report. What a great story —-and that’s all it is unfortunately, because there is no real proof. I sure hope that this person is really reporting from the inner circle because, just maybe, these people are trying to somewhat protect this country. This person sounds like a Clinton supporter and likes Panetta too. Panetta was a Clinton guy wasn’t he? Very intriguing to say the least. Where does this leave Obama for 2012 if true? Are they looking to jumpstart Clinton for Pres.? They even brought Biden into the ‘circle’ of knowledge before Obama? That’s telling, if by some chance Biden is defaulted into the Pres. before 2012. VP Hillary and then a run for the top in 2012???

  23. Thanks Observer too!!

  24. Cabby - AZ

    observer | May 3, 2011 at 9:08 pm |
    Sorry Cabby – missed your Insider update that I just posted too.
    ********************
    Oh, no apology needed! I reposted the same thing you did earlier today – the Post & Email link. In fact, we both tried a couple of times and they were all caught in spam – LOL!

  25. NBC Vic Hern

    Might I suggest new moniker for THE ONE ?

    Kinda liking……………………… Ubama

  26. interview by William Wagener after the hearing in the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals

  27. Trump4Potus

    I just heard on Rush that Obama is not going to release any pictures. The plot thickens.

    Perhaps Panetta will leak them?

  28. Drudge has the photos, which were *sold* to Reuters!

    Graphic; view if you wish.

    http://www.drudgereport.com

  29. SueK | May 4, 2011 at 5:04 pm |
    I loved some of the comments after the photo!

    I heard on talk radio today the comment of someone who is Muslim. He thought that the radical muslim community would take the failure of Obama to release the pictures of OBL as a sign of weakness and fear. He went on to say that there are very few depictions of Mohammed (I was reminded of the person that depicted Mohammed as a cartoon and is probably still afraid for his life) and not letting these photos be out there in fact makes him like a great religious figure.

    I do not know if any of this is true, but I found the comments interesting.

  30. Obummer | May 4, 2011 at 6:40 pm |

    Hey Obummer,

    Mysteriously, the photos have been removed.

    Looks as if someone was ‘gotten to.’

    I guess it’s OK to put up vids of beheadings and soldier’s coffins, but not OK to put up a (deservedly) dead OBL.

    As if we didn’t already know it, we have a very serious problem with this cartoon character sitting in the WH….

  31. All,

    Infowars has posted some photos; they do not appear to be doctored. They are gruesome.

    http://www.infowars.com/purported-bin-laden-raid-kill-photos-released/

    If OBL was supposedly one of these three, I have bad news: None of the photos are of him.

    When I worked in anti-terror, believe me when I say that my unit knew every hair on his head, and every feature on his face.

    These are not of bin Laden.

  32. SueK | May 4, 2011 at 7:33 pm |

    Curious that that photo is gone. We’ll have to see if it is still on the Reuter’s site – I think is was earlier.

    Senator Brown, was given a dead, but fake, picture of Obama from what he considered a reliable source. I wonder if the source was the White House and that they actually tried to float that photo-shopped picture we all saw yesterday?

    http://bostonherald.com/news/politics
    /view/2011_0504sen_brown_against_releasing_bin_laden_photo/srvc=home&position=0

  33. Also, did anyone listen to Rush today? He said that he believes that OBL is dead, but not necessarily killed a few days ago.

    He went on to briefly describe information he got about 5 years ago from a “very” reliable source that OBL was seen riding a horse somewhere (perhaps Afghanistan) moments before we bombed the entire area to smithereens.

    Who knows what the truth is with this joke of a POTUS!

  34. Obummer, Reuters has removed the photos. I’m no big fan of Infowars or Alex Jones, but I figured he’d have something.

    I didn’t hear Rush today, but tend to agree with what he says. Our intelligence put OBL’s death somewhere around 2005-ish, which is when the vids of him stopped and only the audios kicked in.

    Yeah, he’s dead, but not recently dead…

    Also wondering whose body was tossed into the sea. I’ll bet ya dollars to donuts there’ll be no release of *that* vid or any photos that were taken of the ‘service.’

    Wanna bet?

  35. SueK | May 4, 2011 at 8:53 pm |

    No, LOL. I make it a point to not bet with those I agree with.

  36. OK, so they’ve started burning American flags in Pok-i-ston (as Barky likes to say).

    If you take public transportation to get to work, or are planning on flying or taking the rails somewhere, don’t be surprised if you see swat teams and their dawgs; this was common after 9/11 and even though Nappy Incompetano did away with the color-coded terror alert system believe me, it’s *red* these days.

    Just please be super-aware out there.

    Now, old Barky’s at Ground Zero. I wonder if he’ll *lay* the wreath or *toss* it, like he did a few years ago when he visited the site with McCain. McCain carefully placed his flower while Barky tossed it.

    http://scottthong.wordpress.com/2008/09/12/obama-irreverently-flings-rose-at-ground-zero/

    That man sure does love America, doesn’t he?

    Bastid.

  37. Cabby - AZ

    SueK | May 5, 2011 at 11:19 am |
    You know, a friend of mine was just mentioning that we don’t have a color code anymore…… I guess “they” think what we don’t know won’t hurt us?

    Also, just recently I saw that disgusting video again where Barky throws the flowers like one would throw trash on a garbage heap. He has absolutely no class or soul, for that matter; and you are certainly right – no love for America. We felt it then but now there is definitely NO uncertainty.
    He is absolutely despicable and abominable.

  38. Hey Cabby,

    Nappy dropped the code so that we wouldn’t see trouble coming; she thought wrong! Even though a certain element of the population has been dumbed down, we still get it and no coding system or lack thereof will change that.

    He looked as if he was showing respect today, but we know better.

    Particularly troubling was the invite that was sent to the 50, 9/11 families to meet with him. Rather than a personal invitation, the **e-mail** said something like ‘Dear 9/11 family member’ or something like that. Geeze, Louise, could they have taken the TIME to look up the peoples’ names and send them a damned letter? This just infuriates me!

    Cheap, two-bit, ignorant help this administration has hired; they just don’t give a flying fig but then, did we expect anything better from them?

    Watch….someone’s gonna leak the photos and chronology of the raid.

  39. Interested Bystander

    Hey All,

    You should travel over to CW’s and see what I commented at 6:10pm, before it gets scrubbed.

  40. Interested Bystander

    Hey All,

    Who is this “Starla” that is commenting and linking articles over at CW’s?

    I seem to remember the name, but some of her links are kind of “out there”.

    Although I like some of what Alex Jones says, I take his views with a “grain of salt”.

  41. Interested Bystander | May 5, 2011 at 7:16 pm |

    Good for you! Did you get banned? Was FS off the deep end again, I did not have time to read that entire thread?

  42. Interested Bystander | May 5, 2011 at 7:14 pm |
    Interested Bystander | May 5, 2011 at 7:16 pm |

    Hi IB,

    I saw what you posted a while ago. It’s still there. I giggled :).

    Starla has been there for quite some time and is famous for *very* long posts quoting scripture. One of those posters you just need pass by often times. Yes, way out there.

    I don’t listen much to Alex Jones; he’s an entertainer, much like the rest of the talk show cowboys. On occasion, he gets it right, but not without a lot of help. I popped over to Infowars yesterday because the photos of the 3 dead men had been scrubbed from Drudge and Reuters. Sure enough, he had them. No OBL in that crowd..

    This was another hoax to divert our attention away from the economy and the biggest crook of them all, Bernanke and his little printing press. He’s fixin’ to crash the economy, so Barky and his thugs are creating diversions to pull our attention away from what’s really going on.

    Ya, that hopey/changey thingy ain’t workin’ out too well for me…

  43. I saw it IB. There is no rhyme or reason to any of the input. It is a hodge podge of every Osama conspiracy concocted since 2001. For any of them to be plausible, the entire Bush administration would have to be on board in getting Obama a political victory and leg up in 2012. I don’t think Dick Cheney would be on board. Call me crazy. Too bad Dick has health problems, I’d love to see him run.

  44. Cabby - AZ

    For anyone interested, Fox is holding the first Republican debate right now.
    Cain, Pawlenty, Santorum, Johnson, and Paul are participating. This is a good chance to hear Cain especially, as well as the others.

  45. I’m watching, Cabby

  46. Cabby - AZ

    IB, I saw it, too. The certain star poster is leading the charge as he always seems to do; therefore, the tone that is set attracts others of the same persuasion. I just can’t take most of the nonsense, because it seems non-productive.

  47. FriendsOfCw folks,

    Could y’all shoot me an e-mail, please?

    Thx.

  48. Trump4Potus

    We are likewise watching the debate. Cain is very impressive!

  49. Trump4Potus

    We are watching a recording, so we may be behind anyone watching the debate live. Was anyone put off by the former Gov of New Mexico claiming that he was a victim of non-questioning?

    Again, Cain has been very strong with several answers now! This keeps up, I may have to change my posting name!

  50. T4P. Herman Cain is a “matter of fact” dude. I just like him.

  51. Trump4Potus

    Paxson | May 5, 2011 at 10:01 pm |

    T4P. Herman Cain is a “matter of fact” dude. I just like him.
    ———————————-
    This is the first time I have really listened to him. I admire his poise – the way he phrases statements – not to mention he is saying things I totally agree with!

  52. T4P. He calls it like he sees it.

  53. Ron Paul, although I would not support him (except in the general against Obama), is at least consistent. He’s a pure libertarian that is the philosophy that I most identify with. Unfortunately he has a few poison pills in his beliefs that I can’t wrap my arms around. Then there is his supporters who aren’t exactly the most savory people around. Rand is a bit more appealing to me. Different generation, I suppose.

  54. I think the only one debating tonight that looks and sounds presidential is Cain.

  55. Obummer, Pawlenty looks like a general election candidate too tonight.

  56. Paxson | May 5, 2011 at 10:19 pm |

    Obummer, Pawlenty looks like a general election candidate too tonight.
    _____________________
    I am just not a fan of Pawlenty, but I am willing to have my mind changed. Walker from NM is a joke to me. He is for totally free markets and does not understand the China’s manipulation of their currency does not create a free market situation?

  57. Santorum is too much of a shape shifter. He’s a favorite of Laura Ingraham, but I just don’t think he’s got it. I like Johnson, but he doesn’t have what it takes either I’m afraid.

  58. Obummer, I’m a Herman Cain guy. I just don’t think Pawlenty hurt himself. He looks good on the stage and is well spoken.

  59. Cabby - AZ

    I don’t usually like to listen to debates starting this early, but this was very enlightening tonight. If I had to rate them overall generally it would be:
    1)Cain, 2)Santorum, 3)Pawlenty, 4)Johnson, 5)Paul.

    Cain impresses me very much, because he is informed, articulate and “no nonsense”. Santorum should not be discounted, as I have followed him during his time in Congress, and he is solidly conservative. I doubt if he could win over Obama, however. Johnson was new to me; his views on immigration are dubious. Paul’s foreign policy is quite radical and isolationist. Pawlenty rose a little in my mind tonight.

    In a way, it was good to hear some of the lesser known aspirants tonight without the higher profile ones.

  60. Cabby. I’m. 1. Cain 2. Pawlenty 3.Paul 4. Johnson 5. Santorum.

    The reason that I put Santorum last, and I do like him, is that he is on the record for saying some very provocative things. If he’s going to run away from his statements in a South Carolina Republican debate, he would get eaten alive in a general election. He waffled tonight a few times and I am on a “anti waffling” supporter. That being said, Johnson is not electable (in my opinion ).

  61. Cabby - AZ

    Has anyone taken a peek over at Happyville, as IB calls it? They are apparently so stuck in and addicted to the OBL conspiracies that they are not interacting with the debate. Figures. I posted the notice over there earlier.

  62. I wonder if FOX will interview the others? Notice how they go straight to the “establishment ” guys in Pawlenty and Santorum?

  63. Cabby @ 10:52

    The debate is too much about the real world. They would prefer to have a echo chamber of insanity. It makes them feel good.

  64. Cabby - AZ

    Paxson,
    Agree with you about electability of Santorum. I really do like Cain very much. It is refreshing that he hasn’t been in politics before. He certainly has a commanding presence to go along with his forceful, true statements, imo.

    Cain is coming up next for interview by Hannity.

  65. The Luntz focus group agrees with you on Santorum, Cabby.

  66. Cabby - AZ

    Paxson | May 5, 2011 at 10:53 pm |
    Cabby @ 10:52

    The debate is too much about the real world. They would prefer to have a echo chamber of insanity. It makes them feel good.
    *************************************
    Hahahaha! You hit that one right on the head.

  67. Cabby - AZ

    Paxson | May 5, 2011 at 11:02 pm |
    The Luntz focus group agrees with you on Santorum, Cabby.
    ********************
    Yes, but you are right that he and Pawlenty are part of the “establishment”, and I believe that if ever we need to break away, it is in 2012.

  68. DeMint is right that having the pure libertarian view on the stage keeps the debate honest and about the constitution. I’m not a Ron Paul supporter, be articulates some hard truths.

  69. It Cain gains traction, I’m going to work on his campaign. I can’t get excited enough about the others to claim that about anybody else. Although when push comes to shove, I’m going to work like hell to support whomever comes out as the winner. I supported Romney last go around, but think about how liberal that he is compared to this crew (outside of Johnson).

  70. Awesome interview with Herman by Hannity. When he gets his name out there and people listen to him, he says the right things, has lived it (overcoming racism etc) and became tremendously successful and lastly (but certainly not least and perhaps the most important quotient ) he is likeable.

  71. Cabby - AZ

    Paxson,
    For me Romney is dead in the water. He is a very bright man but has accumulated too much baggage to win, it seems. I just don’t find him very convincing any more.

    The more I hear Cain the more I like him. This was good tonight to get to hear this group first before the more well-known ones get on the stage later.
    For one thing, there were only five tonight. Later there will probably be twice that many and less time for each one to speak.

    Johnson is on now and his views on enhanced interrogation are weak.

  72. Johnson is just going through the motions. A person with his views needs some charisma, he has none. Although I’m impressed by his Everest ascent and 30 marathons. Seems like a decent guy.

  73. It looks like Miss Thickly aka TerryK is closing her blog tomorrow night. She has worked her bottom off and I personally thank her for her countless hours on behalf of our nation.

  74. Sorry. Dang android. Miss Tickly

  75. Likewise, we thank Terry K.

  76. Paxson, and all……………….
    That was pretty much my take on the debates also. Cain upset a few applecarts. I liked his manner of response,but you have to remember he has a lot of boardroom experience. Nonetheless I moved him up on my list to second under Allen West. I am not sure if West will run for potus in 2012.My only concern is how good is his foreign policy,but when I ask that question I also ask myself………”How good is what we have NOW? To answer that I need only ask WHAT FOREIGN POLICY? Damn few in the present administration have any really demonstrable foreign policy experience. Soetoro keeps on getting egg on his face. His alleged boost will soon disappear. Keep the BC issue first and formost,on every thread.

  77. Just be careful everybody! Don’t get dragged into somebody’s corner because he/she has a great vocabulary,or has a way of using it to fool people. We heard a lot of this sort of thing in 2008. Election campaigns are JUST THAT!. DO YOUR HOMEWORK!

  78. >>>>Paxson | May 5, 2011 at 11:45 pm |
    It looks like Miss Thickly aka TerryK is closing her blog tomorrow night. She has worked her bottom off and I personally thank her for her countless hours on behalf of our nation.<<<<

    The work has been amazing, truly brillant. I'm certain she is frustrated that the courts, FBI, CIA, military, congress just don't care anymore about the truth, it's all a facade of a Constitutional Republic.

    Pete

  79. Miss Tickly will be missed. Her latest posts have clearly documented the lfbc sham. She sure is pulling the plug swiftly. I wonder if she was pressured.

  80. Old Salt, I like Allen West too.

  81. I like Cain very much. Beyond his leadership experience – and an independent type as well – and his follow-up accomplishments, through it all he has also kept his moral decisiveness. His personal gain has not lessened that foundation. Can’t say he rest for the rest of the pack of mainly politicians. As one person responded to him … he is “refreshing”!
    ============================================
    also this:

    Attorney Orly Taitz Trumps DOJ’s Argument That Obama Can’t Be Dealt With After Election…

    http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2011/05/atty-taitz-trumps-dojs-argument-that.html

    “Therefore, this order holds that the challenge presented by plaintiff is committed under the Constitution to the electors and the legislative branch, at least in the first instance. Judicial review–if any–should occur only after the electoral and Congressional processes have run their course. [Citation.]” (Robinson v. Bowen, supra, 567 F.Supp.2d at p. 1147.) (emphasis added)

    Undersigned would like to remind this court that she filed this action on the Inauguration day. Defendant, Mr. Obama, could not memorize the oath of office and Chief Justice Roberts had to come back to the White House and give Mr. Obama a make up oath. By that time Taitz already filed this legal action. As such, the timing was perfect: it was executed after the legislative process ran its course and before the defendant, Mr. Obama, was sworn in.

  82. Frank Luntz focus group picks Herman Cain winner of first GOP debate:

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2716083/posts

  83. Indy. Good to see you around. I was wondering about you lately. It seems you’ve been hibernating like me trying to read the tea leaves in figuring out what is going on.

    MSNBC is trying to take Herman Cain down already. I f’ing hate them.

  84. While I like Cain—he’s seems direct in his answers, funny, knowledgeable, explains things coherently—I just can’t get past the fact that he was head of Fed. Reserve Bank in Kansas I believe. Anyone who has links to the FedR. is a bit suspect in my book with who he might owe favors to and have ties with. I haven’t personally ruled him out, but we shall see how it goes with him as we get farther along in the process. Some of his past is bound to pop up now that he is squarely on the radar screen and it will be telling as to how he handles it.

  85. Bring it on Col. West. You need to jump into the ring and lead us forward. Your constituents will let you go because they will know it’s for the greater good of our country. Please don’t wait too long.

  86. Paxson | May 6, 2011 at 12:34 pm |

    Thanks, Paxson. Yeah, both a combination of trying to read the tea leaves and busy with work. Plus my head is spinning with all the stories flying around. I really think we deserve to see the photos of binny boy, but doesn’t look like the PTB want to cough them up. Who knows WTF is going on. Coming immediately after the release of the manufactured lfbc it encourages conspiracy theorizing. It appears they have turned chicken salad into chicken shite. That’s the only thing that is transparent.

  87. Cjzak. Cain and West actually compliment each other extremely well. I’m concerned about West’s knowledge on economic matters and equally concerned about Cain’s knowledge on military matters. They go together well.

  88. Biden is really manufacturing the fertiliser at Fort Cqampbell. Choreographed,and rehearsed in Hollywood (FANTASY LAND).

  89. sorry typo CQAMBELL = Campbell.

  90. oldsalt79 | May 6, 2011 at 4:49 pm |

    Biden is really manufacturing the fertiliser at Fort Cqampbell. Choreographed,and rehearsed in Hollywood (FANTASY LAND).
    ——————————
    Agree, but The Won piled it higher and deeper!
    Did anyone else notice that Fort Campbell played the wimpiest version of “Hail to the Chief!”

  91. Obummer…………………..
    It also sounded as though they didn’t take time to tune the instruments either. Your right it did sound a little WIMPISH. NO OFFENSE TO THE MUSICIANS. I SORT OF GET THE FEELING THAT THE SOUR NOTES ARE REFLECTIVE OF HOW THEY REALLY FEEL INSIDE with regard to the PHONEY PONY. Of course we are all very happy that Saddam now has Usama as a cohabit buddy. Saddam won’t have to order any more of his specially manufactured “INFLATABLE LOVE GOATS” He now has USAMA.

  92. oldsalt79 | May 6, 2011 at 7:46 pm |

    I almost spewed some wine all over my computer at reading “INFLATABLE LOVE GOATS!” Too funny!

  93. Here is an interesting article:
    Obama’s Courage Vastly Overrated in Pakistan Raid
    FTA:
    ” But the story of Barack Obama as a modern-day incarnation of George S. Patton is as phony as a three-dollar bill — or as the official photograph of the White House national security team watching, in palpable tension, the commando operation in progress. As CIA Director Leon Panetta has admitted (source), there was no live video footage of the raid. ”
    http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/05/obamas_courage_vastly_overrate.html

  94. Cabby - AZ

    oldsalt79,
    You spoke about the sour notes from the band at Fort Campbell possibly being reflective of the mood of the military personnel. In fact, when I saw the faces of those fine young men and women sitting there listening to the liar-in-chief, I thought, “My, how sober and somber they seem.” Some even had a look of disgust on their faces. I like your “phony pony” description of O.

  95. Cabby - AZ

    Today I heard that there are possibly some nineteen, or so, reports that have been changed concerning events during the OBL raid. There have been so MANY inconsistencies in the various news items that have come out since Sunday.

    Now, we all realize that during the fog of war conflict there are bound to be different versions of what actually took place; however, this week’s variations are beyond the pale. This begs the question, “Why?”

    Here is a thought that seems plausible. As we all know we have a consummate, habitual liar in the White House, and he is surrounded by others who are cronies and somewhat like-minded. In order to get a story out there for public consumption post haste, this White House was sloppy with the truth, because they do NOT VALUE TRUTH. Truth matters little to most of them, because they have become so used to lying, and that includes H. Clinton, too.

    People of integrity would have made every effort possible to get the story straight in the beginning before spouting off stuff that was not fully verified.
    But to this administration it is no big deal, and there seems to be no one really holding their feet to the fire. Has anyone heard any apologies coming from the White House?

  96. A funny comment I read on another site: “Obama killed Osama and we got 72 different versions!”

  97. Trump4Potus

    Cabby – AZ | May 6, 2011 at 9:30 pm |

    Here is a thought that seems plausible. As we all know we have a consummate, habitual liar in the White House, and he is surrounded by others who are cronies and somewhat like-minded. In order to get a story out there for public consumption post haste, this White House was sloppy with the truth, because they do NOT VALUE TRUTH. Truth matters little to most of them, because they have become so used to lying, and that includes H. Clinton, too.
    ________________________
    I could not agree more. They created story after story, and when facts were debunked, they told another story. If this were not so very serious – this would be Saturday Night Live skit.

  98. Anyone who would look upon Obama in a similar light as George S Patton would be in my own opinion the most incredible nitwit of our time. To my knowledge General Patton NEVER LIED to anyone. It is an insult to his memory to even attempt to compare him to Soetoro. Soetoro is a SNEAK,AND A LIAR. I believe that only the OBOTS among us believe anything he has to say, and they will live to regret their little fanntasies as well. I would think that Patton would have long since taken appropriate action to rid our country of the vile disease that now infects it, along with the carriers of the illness,who have spread the disease, and otherwise supported it. I believe that he would have once again SLAPPED THE FACES of any and ALL of those who are TOO COWARDLY to stand up and fight. This time he probably would NOT be required to APOLOGISE TO ANYONE.

  99. To Soetoro strong willed people like Patton are “Carnival Barkers”. People who believe in our Constitution ,and rule of law, MUST CHANGE. Yes Mr.Soetoro we WILL CHANGE,but you will not like the flavor of what we become. We are the MEDICINE which will bring an end to the filthy disease which you are propagating and spreading. Soetoro is also a victim of his OWN diseases. FRor asomebody as INSIGNIFICANT as he is to criticise a war hero is proof of his mental derangement. He is a SICK,SLIMEY LITTLE DEGENERATE,and at least 250,000,000 Americans now know it. The rest are themselves infected with the same illness.Hopefully those who are infected will decide that they are sick and need the medicine that WE THE PEOPLE OFFER.

  100. You can order a soldier to murder an UNARMED person, and you can lie to your constituents, and you can even pretend to be someone you aren’t but you CANNOT FOOL ALL THE PEOPLE ALL OF THE TIME. As long as WE THE PEOPLE possess the ability to add,subtract,multiply and divide, and as long as we can see,hear,smell,taste,and read we will ultimately learn the truth to every one OF YOUR LIES as fast as you tell them. Then we will send each, and every lie back to you in a manner that you will NOT we able to rebuke in any way shape or form. It is often called the BALLOT BOX. WE WILL PREVAIL!

  101. Morning, All,

    Just posted a little comment over at nola.com. It seems that Jindal has released his b.c. and it shows his parents as Indian citizens at the time of his birth in the U.S.

    Here we go again:

    http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2011/05/gov_bobby_jindal_releases_his/5520/comments-newest.html

  102. Soetoro………..everytime we hear you speak somewhere we will be the people yelling OOOOMPAH….OOOOMPAH. ,,,,,,, Defined;………….. OOOOMPAH is BULLSHI#.

  103. Air Force Brat

    You’d be surprised how mad people on the blogs get when one points out the fact that Jindal’s parents (or Rubio’s) were, unfortunately, not yet naturalized at the time their son was born. I’ve run into this willful obstinancy over on Lucianne.com a LOT. “Born in the U.S. = natural born citizen”, they chant over and over and over and over and over. A few have said that the requirement is meaningless, since Obama “got away with it”. It makes me furious! Dear God, are they THAT stupid? Or just too bloody lazy to be bothered with actually getting their facts straight?

    Having said that, I believe both Jindal and Rubio would make great Presidents — IF the legal, statutory way to have the requirement modified were utilized.

  104. Cabby - AZ

    Air Force Brat | May 7, 2011 at 12:40 pm |
    “…..A few have said that the requirement is meaningless, since Obama “got away with it”. It makes me furious! Dear God, are they THAT stupid? Or just too bloody lazy to be bothered with actually getting their facts straight?
    ************************************
    Indifference and laziness are the culprits, I believe. This issue has existed for so long and there have been so many egregious acts by this administration, that people seem to want to just bury the eligibility problem and forget about it. Look at well-known conservatives like Michelle Malkin, Hannity, Levin, and others. They won’t touch it with a ten-foot pole.

    I believe, as do many who post here, that the eligibility factor – specifically the NBC part – is at the root of our problems; however, the PTB’s, as well as many, well-meaning, ordinary citizens do not share that conviction, sad to say. And as time progresses the issue becomes less important to many. Sad.

  105. Cabby - AZ

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  106. We need someone like Old Salt for President! Are you in Old Salt?

  107. Air Force Brat | May 7, 2011 at 12:40 pm |

    As a lucianne poster from the very beginning, I have seen exactly what you have witnessed. It is maddening. I usually look for those threads, just so I can take them on.

    I am pretty sure I recently read that we are the only country that makes everyone born here a simple citizen, that IMHO is crazy. But to stretch that to mean they are also “natural born citizens,” per The Constitution are completely nuts.

    Following The Constitution mostly likely means that potentially good Presidents like Jindal and Rubio cannot run, but it was meant to protect us from nefarious types, like Obama.

    I know I am preaching to the choir here – but like you, it makes me furious that many folks cannot see the difference. It is scary that many of the mostly conservative group at lucianne are so uninformed. However, over the years, I have seen many opinions change, so there is hope.

  108. Air Force Brat

    I sure hope so, Ladyhawke. And speaking of candidates and entrenched mindsets, while I’m one of the biggest West / Cain supporters out there, have you noticed how many Lucianne posters will absolutely NOT speak favorably of anyone else? If they’re the best candidates for the country, fine; I’ll campaign for them all day long. But so many of the posters there seem to be obsessed with the concept that the next president HAS to be black. It’s taking on the feel of a fad, rather than a genuine search for the best person to be the President of the United States.

  109. Cabby - AZ

    To All,
    Happy Mother’s Day!!! May this be great day for you all, whether you are a mother or are honoring one!

  110. Cabby – AZ | May 8, 2011 at 10:43 am |

    Thanks, Cabby, and to you, too! Many of us are Moms, but in non-traditional ways 🙂

    Hope all the Moms have a lovely day!

  111. Air Force Brat…………………..
    The morons continue to chant names over and over because it makes them feel IMPORTANT. People who can’t take time to learn a little about what they are trying to promote,are like UNION affiliated MORONS. It is ALL they know how to do. REPEAT,REPEAT<REPEAT<REPEAT. sor of like BROKEN RECORDS.

  112. To everyone who is a mother…………Have a very happy day today. Hope all your kids have come to see you.

  113. Air Force Brat

    Old Salt — you’re so right! I always enjoy reading your unvarnished way of putting things. One never has to wonder what you are really thinking. 😀

  114. Air Force Brat

    Since work is a little scarce lately, I can’t afford to buy Mom flowers like I usually do. However, I’m taking her to dinner tonight at the restaurant of her choice, cost be damned. It’ll just mean a little additional scrimping and scraping for the next couple of months, which I’ve gotten so used to that it no longer seems like a hardship.

  115. Air Force Brat | May 8, 2011 at 12:58 pm |

    The important thing, AFB, is that you’re *there* with her; that’s what she really wants!

    Some of us no longer have a Mom but if we did, we would just want to be with her and she would love to be with us; bull on the ‘stuff’-just be with her and tell her you love her.

    Hope you had a special day with your Mom!

  116. Air Force Brat

    Thanks, SueK! It was pretty nice. Just got back from dinner, and half the city apparently had the same idea, because the place was PACKED. 😀

  117. Packed is OK, AFB. You got to spend some time with her and that’s what counts.

    Happy Mother’s Day to your lovely Mom and I’m glad you made it wonderful for her :).

  118. Cabby - AZ

    AFB,
    Glad that you were able to have that rendezvous with your Mom tonight. Cherish every moment you can spend with her. The time only passes too quickly and then we have to part someday. My Mom has been gone twenty years, and I still miss her.

  119. I second Suek’s comment! There is no feeling on earth as great as the warm,and loving feeling that you have when the family is together. It is really difficult to describe adequately for my limited vocabulary,but I think you know what I mean.

  120. Gnite all got to get out of here………..Goin to see “My little Bimbo down at the Bamboo Isle”. You can hear it at you tube.

  121. Old Salt. Have a nice evening. I couldn’t help noticing that FS and gang are now getting all of their information from AQ. I’m not saying things are above board, but Leo is quoting Osama’s neighbors. Think about it.

  122. AFB @ 12:54

    Old Salt has earned the right to call it as he sees it.

  123. Cabby - AZ

    Paxson,
    What in the world is going on over “there”? It’s turning into a AQ site or something. I did post once early this morning and got a response from someone about the General I quoted. That poster said the General was a
    “radical anti-Muslim”. I would like to say that at least he knows who our enemy is. Also, what is the rebuffer? A radical anti-Zionist or anti-Israel?

  124. Cabby - AZ

    Another thing, Paxson, this whole development over there is causing great divisiveness at a time when we least should have it. As time progresses it is becoming obvious to me that this is part of the plan to fracture the unity of patriots. We are always going to have differences of opinion, but why would anyone want to strongly accentuate these differences when it serves no good purpose?

  125. Cabby. That is what I was saying in all of my arguments with FS. I may not be right all the time, or ever, but I’m pure. I care about our country. I find it very humorous, only because That is how my mind works, that FS is putting up quotes from Osama Bin Ladin’s neighbors as if they hold an ounce of credibility. I trust our SEALS. I do not trust our administration. But I definitely do not trust the word of the Muslim freaks that surrounded bin Ladin’s home. Apparently FS does.

  126. Cabby - AZ

    Paxson | May 8, 2011 at 10:21 pm |
    “… I trust our SEALS. I do not trust our administration. But I definitely do not trust the word of the Muslim freaks that surrounded bin Ladin’s home. Apparently FS does.”
    **************************************
    Sometimes it is hard to tell who FS trusts, but the Pakistani neighbors are the least trustworthy imo, because they have every reason to play innocent as to OBL’s presence there. Just common sense and experience tell us that they are not truthtellers when it might cast a reflection upon their leaders’ lack of diligence. They are not noted for playing fair in their dealings with the USA.

  127. The Pakistan neighbors are the last people to trust, Yet FS is throwing their words out there as if they deserve credibility.

  128. Last night on John Batchelor show Larry Johnson (ex-CIA, noquarterusa blog) said his inside sources at CIA corroborate “white house insider” story regarding Leon Panetta being the driving force behind the bin laden operation. They confirm that Panetta got Hillary and Daley on board, while Jarrett and O were against it. This is the first time I’ve seen anyone corroborate insider.

  129. Paxson………………….
    It is a mistake to even think about what Free Speech has to say. I for the most part simply scroll past his lunacy. As I have said so many times in the past I look at what interests me. I know from life’s boot camp what is right and what is wrong. I don’t need FS to advise me about it. He is just a little kid yet. Just never lose sight of what is really going on. Once you learn how to see through the piles of Liberal Manure, you will never again be SNOWED by the LIBS or Soetoro. There is always a hidden story which after you once see it, you will never forget how you found it. Sometimes it is extremely subtle,and well masked,but if you read then reread,and digest every word the truth,and/or the hidden meaning will slowly emerge. Often the tip off is because of what is NOT SAID,rather than WHAT is said.. Sometimes the answer lies in how a certain word is used. Then when you compare VARIABLES against KNOWN VALUES, or constants again the truth slides out. Sometimes the tip off is the expression on the person’s face who is telling the story. You don’t need to be a PHd to read expressions. Sometimes the tip off is only the tone of voice. Make no mistake it is possible to read the truth in what is being said,by simple observation of facial expressions,and tone of voice. Many people cannot conceal their emotions. This too tells a story. Always keep your eyes and ears open and working.
    People like FS are so intent upon trying to BS people that he loses sight of how he is using his words. He thinks eloquence fools people. It does for some,but NOT those who know what to look for . BS can be spread with a shovel or with VERBS. Look at the verbs,adjectives, phrases,and how they are used. BS often comes out of the NOISE HOLE backwords. Listen carefully. If something doesn’t sound right…… it doesn’t sound right because it is BS. Like when Soetoro talks about people who have something to hide. The reason why he says that so freely is because that is exactly what he does. He thinks you don’t know that. You do now.

  130. Have a great day everybody,gotta get my eye drops. Each drop is about $10.00 worth. You would think that the stuff is made from GOLD. BYE BYE.

  131. Now you’re talking Photoshop!

  132. ‘Permit me to hint’ that the site administrator add a feature near the top that takes you to the most recent post.

  133. Wonder about the utility of proposing that Article II Section 1 be amended to define NBC as anyone born in the US regardless of parentage. If it fails, we will have our Constitution back.

  134. Good one, Indy.

  135. 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂

    Good thing I didn’t have a beverage in my immediate vicinity, indy.

    Excellent! Thanks for the giggle 🙂

  136. Hey indy,

    Just to let you know that there have been no hits in air, rainwater, surface water, or milk for the last few weeks in Boston and vicinity. You may again breathe, swim, splash in puddles, and drink Nectar of Cow, if you choose to do all that.

    The radioactive plume from Japan has dissipated. We’re not seeing anything worth mentioning at any station in the U.S. these days, but we’re watching just in case something spits out of Fukushima.

    Cabby has received her own personal report this afternoon.

    Will stay on it. Now, I shall go eat a banana to get my daily dose of Potassium-40 :).

  137. Air Force Brat

    Just took a look at what used to be a good blog (which everyone here is familiar with). Dear God, it makes Alex Jones look like Walter Cronkite! It’s a petri dish for every crackpot conspiracy theory imaginable.

    Those who left did the right thing. There is nothing there to stay for.

  138. Cabby - AZ

    Air Force Brat | May 9, 2011 at 9:49 pm |
    Just took a look at what used to be a good blog (which everyone here is familiar with). Dear God, it makes Alex Jones look like Walter Cronkite! It’s a petri dish for every crackpot conspiracy theory imaginable.
    *****************************
    I hear you loud and clear, AFB, and, frankly, it has been very disturbing to me. If we are going to go down every rabbit hole searching out the stuff we can never, ever prove, then we are losing our bearings in the fight to rid this country of the Usurper. I have no doubt that there are things about the OBL matter that are obscured and falsified, BUT please tell me how we will ever get anywhere pursuing it the way it is being done “over there.”?

    We will NEVER be able to PROVE these conspiratorial beliefs, and wallowing in them is nothing but a distraction – a deadly diversion to take our eyes and minds off the goal. That is just my own personal opinion. It’s okay to share thoughts about the subject but it has gotten to be an obsession.

  139. I agree. They have taken their eyes off of the objective in promoting every conspiracy that they run across on the net. There are more than enough probable facts out there to focus one’s energy on. I am actually glad I’ve been banned over there. It would be like banging your head against the wall.

  140. Cabby - AZ

    It is attracting like kind in many ways and is ruining the effectiveness of that blog. There again, we can’t do one thing about that either. Sad.

  141. Cabby - AZ

    P.S. Goodness knows, we certainly tried, didn’t we?

  142. There is a new top post and a new thread!

    And to:
    Bill G | May 9, 2011 at 6:28 pm | | Edit

    ‘Permit me to hint’ that the site administrator add a feature near the top that takes you to the most recent post.
    —————————
    We are not sure as to your meaning, but we do aim to please! There is only ever one top post with a corresponding thread commencing below, where anyone can comment on anything. The most recent comment would be at the end of the current topic. Please let us know what you would like. Is it that you want a list of the most recent comments?

  143. Hello! I could have sworn I’ve been to this blog before but after reading through some of the post I realized it’s new to me.
    Anyways, I’m definitely happy I found it and I’ll be book-marking and checking back frequently!

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